Is Small-Scale Luxury the Future of Travel?

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Embark on a journey through luxurious and unexpected travel experiences in this eye-opening episode of No Tourist Allowed. Join hosts Mike Putman and James Ferrara as they recount their recent adventures, from the charming streets of Traveler’s Rest, South Carolina to the bustling heart of London and the picturesque coast of Cornwall.

Discover the allure of boutique hotels and personalized service as our hosts share their stays at innovative properties like The Station in Traveler’s Rest and the Mayfair Townhouse in London. Learn why small-scale luxury might be the future of travel and how to find hidden gems in unexpected places. From Rick Stein’s culinary delights in Cornwall to the sophistication of small-town America, this episode is packed with inspiration for your next journey.

Gain valuable insights on navigating high-demand travel seasons, scoring better deals on international concert tickets, and the rising trend of event-driven travel. Whether you’re a luxury seeker or a curious explorer, this episode offers a fresh perspective on modern travel.

Ready to elevate your travel experiences? Tune in now and start planning your next unforgettable adventure!

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Mike Putman:
Hello, I’m Mike Putman.

James Ferrara:
And I am James Schroer. Mike and I are back from some interesting travels the last couple of weeks. It’s been a bit hectic. We’ve been all over the place individually on our own. And we want to continue the conversation with you about how to travel better, about how to make more meaningful, how to take more meaningful trips, how to make better memories, how to experience places more authentically, and really squeeze all the value out of travel. Right, Mike?

Mike Putman:
Squeeze all the juice out of the travel lemon. That’s what we do. That’s what we do.

James Ferrara:
Out of the travel peach, I’m going to say, because I am just back from a visit with Mike in South Carolina. And actually, Mike lives there, so I’m going to speak about it first because Mike’s very biased. But it’s a really great destination, this part of South Carolina, which is very close to the North Carolina border. I’ve been there a couple times before. I’ve stayed in a beautiful small city called Greenville. And there are big hotels and restaurants along the waterfalls in the middle of the charming main street of Greenville, South Carolina. But this time, we stayed in a place called Traveler’s Rest. And you can’t get a better name than that.

James Ferrara:
Really charming. And I went down there with my typical northeastern big city attitude, like, oh, this is going to be so quaint, pretty little place in the middle of nowhere, and it’ll be like, you know, I don’t know, diners. And in fact, what it is, is a very hip, sophisticated area with great restaurants, great coffee shops, interesting concepts, this place called Community Tap, where you can go and get great beers and local brews and wines on tap. You can also get food from various venues that are nearby there, and it’s this big community space. I mean, I felt like I was going out in Soho in New York, really, and again, I don’t mean to be condescending, but I just want to, you know, express to you my surprise and delight.

James Ferrara:
At visiting this area. And the hotel, if you could call it that, that we stayed in, is really these very innovative unit built along a former railroad track, which is now, like in a lot of areas, turned into a community space with runners and bicyclists and people with their dogs and babies going up and down the track. It’s called the Swamp Rabbit Trail.

Mike Putman:
Very good.

James Ferrara:
Right? That was good. And the units are right along it, and they’re beautifully and very thoughtfully designed. And you have a little porch out front with these rocking chairs and beautiful furniture made from pieces of trees and stuff and beautiful artwork. It’s just really, really well done. It’s called The Station, and it’s by Campo Hotels. So if you find yourself in the area of Greenville-Spartanburg, it’s the airport, Greenville, Traveler’s Rest outside of Greenville. Well, there’s so much to say. Anyway, it was a wonderful trip, Mike.

Mike Putman:
And by the way, Bryce Bay is the owner of the station, and he’s been on our podcast a couple years back. Yep. With plans to build out more of those type properties.

James Ferrara:
Yeah, I mean, he’s an innovative hotelier. He really is. And I was getting texts from several days prior to arriving, including a text the day before asking me what cold beverage I would like waiting for me on my arrival, which could be a dangerous question to ask some people. But, you know, for me, for me, it was Diet Coke. And there was a snack in the refrigerator waiting for me. And just all these really thoughtful touches. That is so different than the sort of big box hotel impersonal experience. Yeah.

Mike Putman:
So there were three of us. And of course, this is, by the way, very close to where I live. So I stayed at my house. But James came and another senior level person from his organization came and we had a two day planning session. But at any rate, the other person came and she said, did you tell the she was asking me, she said, did you tell the people I ride horses? And I said, no, I didn’t tell them that. And they had written her a welcome note saying, you know, welcome horse. Person her name that is glad you came to visit greenville and if you thought about doing something with horses we’re close to try on and other places um so that was you know really thoughtful uh a thoughtful way of welcoming people great great hospitality.

James Ferrara:
You know i didn’t know that i didn’t know that and my welcome note for some reason was that there is a ice cream place nearby and several restaurants so i don’t know where they got that from but no uh really really very thoughtful approach to a hotel and i think we ought to look for that sort of thing and we ought to reward it right really important if you want that to exist in the world you have to to support it. So Compo Hotels, the station in Traveler’s Rest, South Carolina, this is not a commercial. We don’t get any money from them. We paid our bill at the hotel. This is just good, honest advice.

Mike Putman:
I domicile my company in Traveler’s Rest. And so, of course, we’re dealing with people and businesses worldwide. And when they see that on my email signature or in a business card, Traveler’s Rest and being in the travel business, everybody thinks it’s a joke. They think I’m making this up. Traveler’s Rest is not a real place, but I can promise you it is. It certainly is.

James Ferrara:
Yeah. So we went to Henry’s Smokehouse, which is a favorite of mine every every time I visit Mike, and it is a true, local barbecue smokehouse where you pull up in the parking lot and the smoke is coming out of the seams of the building, And the food’s really good. And we went to Coastal Crust, which is an Italian restaurant and sort of gourmet pizza place that Mike recommended. And it was spot on recommendation. The place was excellent. We ate privately at one of the clubs up in the mountains there. Don’t know that you guys will be able to do that, try to make friends with somebody in traveler’s dress. But speaking of hotels, I want to extend this discussion a little bit because a couple weeks ago, I was in London.

James Ferrara:
The trip’s never long enough for me. It was only like three or four days. But I sometimes stay at a hotel called Fleming’s, very famous old hotel in Mayfair in London. Now, that’s about as pricey a district as you can find in London, and Fleming’s is high design, high touch service, absolutely beautiful, and I certainly recommend it, very dear. And when I went to look for rooms, it turned out it was Chelsea Flower Show, which is a world-famous flower show, and people coming from all over into London, and just no rooms available anywhere.

James Ferrara:
And I went to Fleming’s, and the room for the three nights I was staying was over 6,000 pounds, you know, like 2,000 pounds a night, guys. That’s like $2,500 a night. And that’s three or four times what normally the room would cost. So, you know, they had probably only a few rooms left, and it was a high-demand season. And I could not find rooms in the hotels that I usually stay at elsewhere. And then just by, you know, doing some research and looking on the map, I knew I wanted to be in Mayfair for business reasons. Across the street from Fleming’s, a new-ish hotel, just a couple years old, called the Mayfair Townhouse. And I wound up booking a room at a much more reasonable rate. Still, you know, it’s an expensive and luxury hotel, but a reasonable rate. And I had one of those delightful surprises. I mean, I’ve been staying across the street from this place for a while, and it was Just beautiful. Just like Fleming’s. Beautifully designed inside. Lovely bar. Lovely restaurant for guests. The room’s very pretty. The service, excellent. I would highly recommend it. The Mayfair Townhouse in Mayfair, obviously. Yeah.

James Ferrara:
The service that you get at this kind of hotel, so not only is it about the quality of the environment, but it’s the service. So from the front desk people to the doorman, one of the doormen, I was standing outside about to leave, about to walk away from the hotel. And he said, pardon me, sir, would you mind if I asked you what your destination is today?

James Ferrara:
And, you know, it’s the doorman, so I told him, and he actually stopped me from going to the tube station where apparently there was a breakdown on that line and I would have waited for hours and been stuck there. And it’s because he was thoughtful and caring enough to almost intrude and ask me that question because he saw me about to walk off the front steps, right? And the server in the restaurant was, you know, really interesting guy from a country in the Far East. And we had a whole political conversation about what was going on in the US, what was going on in the UK, what was going on back in his home country. And there was so much engagement, so much connection in my stay. And I worry that the rest of us don’t always get that or don’t even know to look for it. There is something about staying in a small, fine hotel. Maybe you would think boutique hotels. And even some of the big brands that you trust, like Marriott, for example, or Hilton, they do have these collections.

James Ferrara:
Marriott has the autograph collection, I think. And Hilton has the Curio collection. And they’re more interesting local hotels, smaller hotels that have a real personality to them. And I would highly recommend if you’re one of those people that, you know, wants your Marriott points or your Hilton points and you automatically go, don’t stay at the Marriott Courtyard or the Marriott London, some big white box of a hotel. Look at Marriott’s autograph collection, look at Hilton’s Curio collection. If you have the pocketbook for it, look at small luxury hotels of the world, or Relais Chateau, you know, like that. And you’re going to get the kind of experience that I’m talking about.

Mike Putman:
Now, I’m going to completely disagree with you, because the next week, the next week, I was in London after you left, And I stayed in a residence in, and you would think residence in and London big box is, All it is is it is a residence inn, but it was a very small hotel. They had very limited rooms, and the people working the front desk were absolutely great. It was really like five-star service, very personable, willing to take care of any kind of need that you had. And it was a big box brand. It was a residence inn. But I’ll tell you the nice thing about it is that the rooms, you know, all the rooms in Europe tend to be very small. These rooms were not like a residence in that you would stay in the U.S., certainly smaller than that. But it did have a separate seating area and a full kitchen.

James Ferrara:
Oh, yeah. Well, the residence ends are like that. You got lucky because basically they maybe labeled a, you know, have a management deal or they labeled a pre-existing smaller hotel a residence in. And so that can work out for you. But it doesn’t always work out like that. And I still think I would like people to seek the kind of small hotel life that I’m talking about. And, you know, it’s also about positioning. This particular hotel is on Curzon Street, a very famous street in Mayfair. There’s a Michelin-starred Indian restaurant across the street. For me, this is a big deal. There is an antiquarian bookshop next door. And I bought a first edition of Mark Twain’s Life on the Mississippi, which is amazing. 1883, the book was published. And it’s a true first edition, first publication. And that’s amazing that I was able to find it in this shop. But there’s also the entrance right there. You’re probably familiar, Mike, with Shepherd’s Market.

Mike Putman:
That’s where I get my haircut, as a matter of fact. in Shepard’s Market. And actually, there’s a church called Christ Church Mayfair that we go to regularly. When, when, uh, we’re in town and it’s just like three streets over from, from that hotel. So I know very well.

James Ferrara:
So the stars aligned for me on this particular trip. And I was very happy with where I was staying and the neighborhood I was in and everything. And I wish that for everyone. It doesn’t always happen like that, but I do wish that for everyone. So Mike, you’ve been on the road.

Mike Putman:
Yeah. So I was in London as well, and I went over for a conference. There was a loyalty summit, which was really, really interesting. A lot of the executives and leaders in the loyalty space, particularly as it relates to travel, were there in attendance and presenting and learned a lot about what’s going on with a lot of the loyalty programs. So very, very good couple of days there. And then I had another event called Focusrite in Barcelona that I was going to, but I had three days in between. And so I’ve always wanted to go to Cornwall, which is, for those of you who don’t know, it is in the southwest part of England on a little boot that kind of somewhat looks like Italy below Wells. And, yeah, it’s the most the very end of it is the most southern part of of of England. And Rick Stein has several. And Rick Stein is a noted chef who’s kind of like he’s kind of like an Emeril Lagasse mixed crossed with an Anthony Bourdain. his.

Mike Putman:
Persona has been built around travel, they call them cookery shows. He does a lot of those and owns a couple of restaurants in London, I think five down in Cornwall, owns three or four hotels down in Cornwall. But I really enjoy his style of cooking. He’s not a Michelin star chef because he said, I don’t make small plates. I make big plates. And Michelin doesn’t necessarily reward people who make plates that have tons of food hanging over the side of them. I went down there for just an enjoyable couple of days by myself. The hotel is called the Seafood Restaurant. I highly recommend it. It is very small. I think there’s 18 rooms, just meticulously decorated.

Mike Putman:
And the service, again, another one of those great service stories, James, they must have sent me seven emails before I got there saying, hey, you know, check-ins at this time. We’ll hold your luggage if you get here early. This is where parking is. You know, we’ll come get you from the train station or we’ll send somebody, which was, you know, like a 40-minute ride. Just really, really great service. And part of the reason of going there is I wanted to see the area, but part of the reason was I wanted to enjoy a couple of his restaurants, which I did. And the Seafood Restaurant is probably his most famous restaurant outside of London. And it was absolutely fabulous.

Mike Putman:
Being a resident, staying at the hotel, you got a confirmed reservation, where normally you might have to book months in advance. But I sat at the bar by myself. and, um, everything, by the way, everything is like branded Rick Stein, the silverware, he’s got his own wine, better, et cetera. So that part was a little bit over the top to be honest. Um, but, um, sat down and I told the, the waiter, I said, you know, I want a really nice meal and I want to try a lot of different things. And he said, you know, do you have any allergies, anything you don’t like? And I said, basically, no, no. And so they started bringing me things out and it was It was one of the best meals probably I’ve ever had in my life, certainly in the last few years. Yeah, it was great. So enjoy that. And I was able – by the way, let me backtrack and say I could have flown down from London, but I chose to take the train. It was about a three-and-a-half-hour train, and it was actually more expensive to take the train. But you talk about luxury – well, luxury. Not totally luxury, but it was relaxing luxury, I should say that. Very comfortable seats and just to be able to ride through the English countryside in late spring, early summer. Everything was super green. It was just a beautiful, beautiful experience.

James Ferrara:
See a lot of sheep?

Mike Putman:
A lot of sheep. Yeah, lots of sheep and lots of grass.

James Ferrara:
You know, the Cornish coast is one of the top destinations, domestic destinations in the UK. During the pandemic, when everything turned inward and people could no longer travel to international destinations from the UK, domestic travel, you know, went crazy. And we couldn’t even get inventory in Cornwall anymore. It was just sold out for the whole year because it’s such a popular place to go, and everyone was driven to domestic travel. So I’d like to go there. I have not been there myself, but you’re making it sound very attractive.

Mike Putman:
To the city’s padstow by the way and uh i would really recommend they have lots of other levels of accommodation you don’t have to stand the nicest thing but it’s uh there were a lot of i would say almost exclusively british uh holiday goers there um but fantastic how and you.

James Ferrara:
Went on to barcelona you went on.

Mike Putman:
To barcelona after yeah i went to i had my next stop was barcelona and so i took the train back to london got on a flight kind of a long story there but I get to Barcelona late at night and I wake up the next morning and I had a blood vessel but burst him up and the thing was it looked like a horror you know something you would see in a horror movie yeah and I had you, I don’t know, 20, 30 meetings over the next course of the two days. And I had to apologize to everyone before the meeting to tell them I bursted a blood test. It didn’t hurt, no pain or anything. It just looked terrible. But on the flight from London to Barcelona. But got to Barcelona, had Focusrite, by the way, is kind of the top travel event for travel executives. They have one in the U.S. and one in Europe each year, and really high-level speakers, a lot of good information to help kind of grow our businesses and understand what’s going on in the marketplace.

Mike Putman:
So it was a really nice time, and I was able to squeeze in a Michelin restaurant while I was there in Barcelona, which was also nice. I had a nine-course meal there, but spent most of the time in the convention or the meeting. So I didn’t get out, but just a little bit, one night and for the Michelin dinner the next night, and then back home.

James Ferrara:
Yeah, Barcelona is a great destination, but a lot of people have been there because cruises start from the Mediterranean, from Barcelona, a lot of them. Um but i i like barcelona a lot great walking city wonderful architecture um you know really interesting great food great wine hello it’s one of the best locations for that um and you’ve got some big trips coming up still right and so do i yeah.

Mike Putman:
Okay yeah one big one and this is the my trip that i’m gonna take my daughters to germany to go see taylor swift um and then Then come back, spend a couple more days in London, and then I’m going to head up to Scotland to play golf.

James Ferrara:
We wouldn’t have pegged you for a Swifty, Mike, but it’s a good strategy. It’s amazing. I’ve actually heard more and more from people who have this strategy to go to Europe to see Taylor Swift, because you can get the tickets for a fraction of what they cost in the US, or at least you can find availability. An article came out last week that Taylor Swift started her concert tour in Paris a couple of weeks ago with four concerts in Paris. The economic impact of Taylor Swift’s concerts on Paris is projected to be greater than the impact of the Summer Olympics in Paris.

James Ferrara:
Okay so that’s how powerful concert travel and i’ll put sporting events i don’t i don’t know some of you guys may have seen i was on bloomberg news um on bloomberg market uh last week on television and i was talking about this i was talking about this new trend toward um sporting events and big music concerts, sort of moving people around the globe. And we’re seeing it, you know, not only with Taylor Swift, but the Summer Olympics in Paris. The Formula One racing now, which has landed in cities around the world. A friend of ours just came back from Monte Carlo. There was a big one in Las Vegas last year, right through town, you know, they cordon off everything and take over the town we’ve got fifa world cup uh there were cricket championships um this.

Mike Putman:
Is as uefa is this summer that’s the european championship world cup’s not this year.

James Ferrara:
Sorry but i do have world cup coming to miami in 26 and lisa lisa lutoff perlo who used to be president of Celebrity Cruises for a long time and retired a year or two ago, has taken the position as chief executive officer of the FIFA Miami host committee for the event there in Miami. So that’s another big one. Anyhow, it’s interesting to see that people are willing to get up and move around for this stuff and it’s become a real force in our industry i.

Mike Putman:
Think also too it’s an excuse for people to travel um like i i really my girls my girls of course wanted to go see taylor’s well me not so much not that i’m against her i just, That’s not how I would choose to spend my evening or afternoon.

James Ferrara:
You’re going to get hate mail now.

Mike Putman:
Well, I’m going to the concert, and we were able to buy tickets for $700 apiece, where they were $2,100 apiece in the U.S. And my daughter actually, for Father’s Day, sent me a shirt that says, I am a Swifty, not by my choice, but by my daughter’s choice. So I’ll be wearing that to the concert.

James Ferrara:
I was in National Harbor last week, and I want to just take a moment and mention that. That’s Maryland, but it’s really right outside Washington, D.C., and Alexandria, Virginia. So it’s right there at the nexus of several states.

James Ferrara:
And it was a revelation to me. I had never been there before. It’s a new-ish development on the Potomac River. And there’s an MGM hotel and casino there. I stayed at a huge Gaylord resort with a big atrium. So you feel like you’re outside. You’re actually inside, but overlooking the river. And there were other hotels, a ton of restaurants. It’s a sort of entertainment and conference area that has grown up right outside of Washington, D.C., called National Harbor, Maryland. So if you get a chance, it’s an interesting place to visit, beautiful place to stay, actually. And then you can take a very easy Uber into downtown Old Town, Alexandria, which is really beautiful and very big. I mean, it goes on for blocks and blocks. Charming colonial architecture, shops, galleries, all of that. Or you could go into D.C. We went into Georgetown one night. And did…

James Ferrara:
Bowling at one of these kind of like a lucky strike place where it’s really not about the bowling it’s about the drinks and the food and in fact we were with a big group we took over the whole place and the one lane that broke was ours so we actually spent the evening having cocktails and food and making fun of everyone it was a great evening i like.

Mike Putman:
That i like that i didn’t know they They had casinos over there. That was a lot of stuff.

James Ferrara:
Well, you might be calling me out. It’s an MGM hotel, big MGM hotel. So I am making the assumption that there’s a casino in there. Someone might want to correct me.

Mike Putman:
One of our previous guests came out with a book last week, too.

James Ferrara:
Yeah. And here it is. Who’s Paige McClanahan, who is a New York Times travel writer and an author, travel writer, a blogger, and someone whose thoughts about travel and whose philosophy about travel we think is very closely aligned with ours. And so she was a great guest. If you didn’t hear that episode, please go back and find it at notouristalab.com. She had a lot of really interesting things to say. About The New Tourist. That’s the name of her book, The New Tourist, Paige McClanahan. She told us it was coming out in a couple of weeks, and here it is. Waking Up to the Power and Perils of Travel. I think you’re going to like it a lot if you enjoy listening to our podcast. So, I have to get Paige to sign these for us.

Mike Putman:
My book came out, Money, Dreams, and Coups. So you can find this on Amazon or wherever you get your books as well. Shameless plug, but this came out about the same time as Paige’s did. Paperback only, though. I guess if I was a New York Times writer, I could have a hard back, but we chose to publish in paperback.

James Ferrara:
It’s not the covers that count, it’s what’s between them.

Mike Putman:
That’s right. But I think it’s a fun read for those of you who may have known a little bit about my history and the last company I was involved with. It’s a very interesting story about a very quick rise in the travel space of a company that grew really, really substantially. And it was a great ride while we were there. And myself and Mike Flory wrote that book together.

James Ferrara:
I read the book cover to cover. It’s a real page turner. And there it is quite a ride. There are some hair raising moments in there. So Mike, we’re still running our giveaway. Just want to take a moment and talk about that. We have released most of the details so far. It’s a four day, three night, all inclusive resort stay. In Montego Bay, Jamaica. And the next piece that we’ll release sometime in the next few weeks is exactly what the resort is and then some other things that are included. The important thing for you listeners right now is if you want to win the trip, you got to be in it to win it. And that means you have to go to notouristallowed.com and follow the instructions, to get entries into the drawing. You can get multiple entries into the drawing by doing certain things, like signing up for our newsletter, for example. Go to the website, notouristaloud.com. All the instructions are there. We want you to be in it. We want you to win it. And we’re looking forward to giving this away a little bit later in the summer.

Mike Putman:
Yes. Well, we’ve got lots of travel on there. You’ve got lots of travel coming up this summer as well and into the fall.

James Ferrara:
I’m going to Pebble Beach. an.

Mike Putman:
Almost non-golfer going to pebble beach for the week.

James Ferrara:
No and not we we can classify me as a non-golfer this is definitely um you know somehow this is topsy-turvy world the guy going to pebble beach should be mike all right mike’s a a great golfer pebble beach the inn at spanish bay one of the great golf courses of the united states other golf courses around there what did you say mike crescent yeah.

Mike Putman:
Cypress point which is probably the hardest or next hardest golf course in the world to get on um is out there beautiful golf course dallas shirt mckenzie design.

James Ferrara:
Well and pebble beach is absolutely spectacular property over.

Mike Putman:
The weekend if you start sulking or if your wife says you know you’ve been traveling too much my bags stay packed so um at a spur of the.

James Ferrara:
Moment i can replace.

Mike Putman:
You for next week i’m available.

James Ferrara:
I mean let me tell you how beautiful this place is several times when we were there, I saw big, 12-point deer bounding across the golf course, which sits on the edge of the ocean, you know, so you have this incredible view. And these deer were like props, like I was looking to see if they’re somehow chained to the property or whatever. I mean, just really, really spectacular and a spectacular lodge to stay in and a beautiful coastal town right nearby, full of all the the, you know, shops and galleries and so on. Yeah, right back to Carmel.

Mike Putman:
Carmel, it’s a beautiful area.

James Ferrara:
Yeah, Carmel. Yeah. So that’s my trip next week. And I was in Dallas two weeks ago, too. And the only reason why I mentioned it, I stayed in, you know, famous, the Amatol, famous convention hotel there, absolutely enormous and very beautiful. But when I arrived, the power was out. Dallas had just gone through a terrible storm. A lot of flights didn’t even make it in, but mine did. There was hail damage all over the place. And I walked into a hotel, and it was dark inside. It was very eerie. It was like an apocalyptic movie. I’m rolling my little bag into this huge, empty, dark space. But the hotel did such a great job dealing with the situation and getting everyone situated and settled and taking care of things. They had a huge conference to produce with events that were meant to be all over the place and at the last minute had to reorganize everything to make it work and they just did a great job. The thing about Dallas, and I’ll get, you know, Mike is going to get some hate mail for.

James Ferrara:
His comments on Taylor Swift. I’m going to get some for my comments on Dallas. Why do people live in Dallas? It’s 120 degrees, humid. There’s hail breaking up the street. There’s, you know, the power goes out or whatever. Why? Why do you live in Dallas? I don’t get it. Every time I go there, it’s like the weather is like biblical in Dallas. So anyhow, I know some very nice people from Dallas. i’ll give you that.

Mike Putman:
Yeah i had a i had an office there and one summer this was about in 2009, for 90 straight days it was over 100 degrees the high temperature was for 90 days um it was scorching but um but listen i love dallas so send your hate mail about dallas to james not me because i i there’s a lot of this.

James Ferrara:
Is why we’re in the travel business right because i’m sure people You don’t want to get out of depth once in a while, and we can help you. Okay.

Mike Putman:
But listen, guys, we’ve got a lot of travel plans this summer, so we’re going to be kind of in and out. We will publish the podcast as we can. We might miss a week here, a week there, but stick with us, and we’ll continue producing the podcast. And we really do appreciate your listenership. Thanks for sharing the podcast. Thanks for recommending the podcast. You can go to notouristallowed.com and download all the back episodes. Of course, you can subscribe at anywhere you get your podcast. And also go to our website and register for the free trip. We want to see you in Jamaica coming up this year. So please go to the site and register.

James Ferrara:
Thank you all for your kind notes, too. I get so many nice messages on LinkedIn and Facebook from listeners saying you’ve enjoyed the podcast or giving us ideas or commenting, keeping the discussion going. Let’s do that. Let’s keep the conversation going about all of this stuff. And thank you so much for joining us at No Tourist Alone.

Mike Putman:
Bye-bye.

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