Redefining Cruise Entertainment: Virgin Voyages Does it Differently ft. Richard Kilman

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Ever dreamed of setting sail on a cruise that ditches cheesy shows for something with a little more edge? Join us as we sit down with Richard Kilman, Vice President of Entertainment for Virgin Voyages, to explore the brand’s fresh approach to onboard entertainment. We’ll discuss their commitment to original shows, immersive parties, and a focus on intimate experiences. Kilman reveals how his background fuels their unique strategy, and why you won’t find a Broadway knock-off on these ships. Plus, you could score an amazing land-based vacation giveaway, so get ready to ditch the tourist traps and set sail for adventure!

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Mike Putman:

[0:01] Hello, everyone. I’m Mike Putman.

James Ferrara:

[0:04] And I’m James Farrar. Welcome to No Tourists Allowed.

Mike Putman:

[0:07] Yes, welcome to another edition in our third series of No Tourists Allowed.

And we have a fantastic guest on today.

We have the Vice President of Entertainment for Virgin Voyages, Mr.

Richard Killman. Welcome, Richard.

Richard Kilman:

[0:29] Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

James Ferrara:

[0:58] Something new and different for us. Oftentimes, we get big brand ambassadors and sales executives and sometimes a president or CEO of a cruise line, but you have a really interesting focus, of course, something that everybody loves, sexy idea, entertainment.

Sexy Richard is here with us to talk about the entertainment side of a cruise vacation.

But before we do that, I know Mike is itching to get in what we call his rapid fire questions to help us get to know you a little bit.

We’re going to ask you a little about your personal travel preferences.

Mike Putman:

[1:41] And Richard, first of all, where are you located right now?

Richard Kilman:

[1:45] I’m in the main office in Plantation, Florida.

Mike Putman:

[1:48] Okay. All right. Very good. Good. So, Richard, what is your favorite hotel brand or individual property? And why would you say?

Richard Kilman:

[1:57] Oh, boy, that’s a tough one. I think I think one of the ones I stay at the most is the Citizen M.

Oftentimes when I’m in New York, I just like it. It’s a cool vibe.

It’s you know, you can easily meet with people there and the rooms are good enough and comfortable. So I like it.

James Ferrara:

[2:13] You can have a nice drink in the lobby, the very sort of clubby lobby.

There’s a couple of good ones in London also.

Richard Kilman:

[2:21] Yeah, I went to one of the ones in London in Shoreditch.

James Ferrara:

[2:24] Yeah, Shoreditch is great.

Richard Kilman:

[2:26] Yeah, it’s just a cool vibe.

James Ferrara:

[2:28] Very trendy, Richard.

Richard Kilman:

[2:30] I try. It could be that the group that designed that concrete might have designed some of the spots on our ship as well, so I might have an affinity.

Mike Putman:

[2:40] Ah, there we go.

James Ferrara:

[2:41] Connection.

Mike Putman:

[2:42] So, Richard, what’s your favorite destination? Destination.

And in that destination, do you have a favorite restaurant or two that you might want to recommend?

Richard Kilman:

[2:52] Oh, my goodness. That is a good question. I travel. I’ve traveled a lot.

Picking a favorite restaurant. Oof. That is a tough one.

James Ferrara:

[3:03] Well, start with the destination. What’s your favorite destination?

Richard Kilman:

[3:06] Destination um well um it’s a surprising one my favorite i’ve been to so far is was on my honeymoon where my wife insisted that we go to south africa on safari and um so we went to johannesburg did a couple weeks of safari and then stayed in cape town and i can’t remember the name of the restaurants there but everything was incredible um highly recommend um but traveling Cape Town.

James Ferrara:

[3:35] Itself is very beautiful, isn’t it? Incredible.

Richard Kilman:

[3:40] This is a while ago that we were there, but after two weeks of safari going to Cape Town, we actually stayed at the Twelve Apostles Hotel, which is just gorgeous.

We just lived the dream. It was beautiful. We met some people on safari that owned this winery in Cape Town, and they invited us as as their guests to the Becca States.

And we were very spoiled by some very kind people.

So I’m sorry, I don’t remember the name of the restaurant, but the Twelve Apostles.

James Ferrara:

[4:12] Meeting people in destination and especially local people is one of the tenets of our No Tourists Allowed philosophy about travel.

It’s something we recommend that you try to do that And look at how it enhanced your trip.

So pretty happy to hear about that.

Mike Putman:

[4:32] Yeah. So, Richard, I’m sure you’ve been on many, many cruises.

What has been your favorite shore excursion?

Richard Kilman:

[4:41] I think my favorite one was right here in our backyard in Bimini when we got to swim with the stingrays.

But it was like, I mean, it’s not like captured. It was like out in life, if you will, out in the public area.

You beached your boat, you came out of the boat and just walked in the water and they give us some kind of food to put in the water. And it all just came right up to you.

Very overwhelming, but so cool. Really, really cool.

James Ferrara:

[5:09] Very cool.

Richard Kilman:

[5:10] Like that yeah we didn’t i’ve done the paragliding trips as well um on one of them with the family we all went out and uh did a paragliding trip which was really fun we like adventure um so um and a lot of times we’ll find our own adventure i don’t know if that’s helping you but i we love exploring we we really love exploring and finding you know those nooks and crannies and places that you go to.

James Ferrara:

[5:37] I’m with you on that I’m not sure I’m with you on the paragliding and I think it’s because I don’t want anyone looking at me from that angle.

Richard Kilman:

[5:47] But, yeah no I think I think once was good um I also yeah I once in New Zealand I actually did um Oh my goodness, we jumped out of the plane on a tandem dive.

And that was another one that once was enough.

Glad I did it. Glad I could say I did it. It was wild, but I don’t have a burning desire to do that again.

Mike Putman:

[6:17] Hopefully your insurance company is not listening to this podcast because they would not give you a good rating.

Richard Kilman:

[6:24] I was much younger. I didn’t have insurance back then.

Mike Putman:

[6:27] So uh richard are you an hour window guy when you fly i.

Richard Kilman:

[6:33] Am definitely a window guy.

Mike Putman:

[6:34] No i like.

Richard Kilman:

[6:36] To i like the ability to make it dark and not have someone have the light shining on trying to chill out or work or whatever yeah i’m a window guy.

Mike Putman:

[6:44] Very cool and do you carry on or do you check your luggage whenever.

Richard Kilman:

[6:48] Possible carry on i’m not a fan of checking too many opportunities for things to go around but obviously on a long trip you you check of course.

Mike Putman:

[6:59] Yeah yeah well great well those are just some uh some questions we like to ask all of our guests so our listeners can get a better understanding of what you are like as a traveler um you know it’s a really nice opportunity for us at no tours allowed to have you on because normally as james said, we’re talking to people in the travel industry that are more on the ambassador side, sales side, but it’s really great to speak to someone on the operational side, and I know this will be very interesting to all of our listeners.

So let’s start out, Richard, how did you get started in the entertainment business?

Richard Kilman:

[7:41] Well, it is not the traditional path. I can tell you that.

So I went to school at UConn in Storrs, Connecticut.

And after two years of school, I had this great plan to leave school and move out to L.A. with a couple of buddies of mine to become a rock star.

And so that was the path that got me into the entertainment industry.

After living out there for about a month, I quickly realized this is a terrible idea. This is never going to happen.

But it was really good times. It was, you know, in the 90s.

So the hairband time, you know, 80s, late 80s, early 90s.

Um it was it was really fun being out there and kind of stumbled into the entertainment industry by accident one of my three jobs i worked to pay the bills and um next thing i knew i was starting to help with uh comedians and booking them into comedy clubs and booking these crazy variety acts into nba halftime shows and um that led to the next opportunity in the next one uh where eventually Eventually, we were producing shows that were touring for theaters, casinos, and a lot of special events, meeting convention industry, a lot of corporate events and stuff like that.

[9:01] Um and yeah it kind of serendipitously fell into the cruise industry when um it was it started with one of my wife’s best friends who used to run public relations for royal caribbean invited me to meet one of the guys the head of entertainment there we hit it off um at the time they were developing uh what was known as project genesis which was the oasis class ships um and so i started meeting with some of their team um multiple meetings and they invited me to go to cruise 360 um in the broward convention center where all the travel agents go because they were showcasing some of their entertainment that they were going to be putting on their ships in the following year so i go to this event and at that event a former technical director of mine from when I was touring shows was there saying, what are you doing here?

And so it turns out he was working for a Norwegian cruise line.

And I told him I was talking to Royal about all this stuff. And he said, you should come talk to our people at Norwegian.

We’re building this new crazy state-of-the-art ship, which turned out to be Norwegian Epic.

And yeah, three weeks later, I started working at Norwegian Cruise Line.

So it was just a weird series of events that got me into entertainment and then got me into the cruise industry.

Mike Putman:

[10:25] So as vice president of entertainment, what is your role in Till?

Richard Kilman:

[10:33] So, as one of the early arrivers here at Virgin Voyages, I think I was employee number eight or nine in the early days, it started with when we were concepting these ships.

[10:45] So meeting with a very small group of us in the shipyard, kind of sketching out what venues would go where and what should this look like and how many people should this venue hold and all these conversations about trying to figure out what the right model was and what the right experiences were going to be for Virgin.

But prior to me joining, Virgin had done a tremendous amount of research to understand and identify what the opportunity was in this industry for Virgin, right?

So that information helped guide us in the direction that we were going in.

And so when the ships were being designed, starting with that, the people interested in Virgin going into the cruise industry expressed they didn’t want to feel like they were in these big places, herded like cattle.

They really wanted to be in more intimate spaces, have a chance to connect with people, not be overwhelmed by the feeling of masks and not knowing people.

And a lot of people said they wouldn’t cruise because of that concern that they had. And if Virgin did it differently and designed ships in a way that felt a little more intimate, they would be more comfortable.

And so that was one of our pillars, you know, when it came to designing the ships and by our restaurants, no one has, not one has more than 200 seats.

And we have all these cool spaces throughout the ship so that people could feel comfortable. And so…

[12:15] As part of that group, figuring out what the entertainment spaces should be and how they should function from the very earliest of days.

That’s where the whole concept of a transformational theater was born based on the space on the ship that was available to us.

I pitched a few ideas, got some resources together, worked with our design team to create what is now known as the Red Room, where our theater transforms into multi-configurations from a traditional theater to no seats at all to an alley stage configuration.

[12:49] So the nightclub, making sure the nightclub also was a great performance space that we use all the time, also has a galley attached to it so we could do dinner shows and create really unique experiences.

And so from the design concept, from the earliest days of the design of the entertainment spaces, and then figuring out all of the technical equipment we need to support all of those spaces.

And then once we had enough of what that looked like, the next phase was going out to the entertainment industry to meet with a bunch of different creatives, whether they were individual creative folks or production companies, producers, choreographers, directors, all of them, designers, to kind of present this vision of, hey, we’re Virgin Voyages.

We’re going to change the cruise industry and do some things at different ways.

And would you want to be part of that with us? And here’s, as a start, here’s some really cool venues we’ve concepted out that you would get to design things for.

And so we met with so many people, and honestly, they were all interested in pitching concepts to us, which was not expected. It was quite overwhelming.

You know, cast a big net, hopefully you get a few, and all of them wanted to pitch. It was very humbling and surprising.

[14:08] So we had over 70 concepts pitched to us, and out of those, we selected the ones that we started with on Scarlet Lady.

And so my job started from the design of the venues to reaching out to the industry and find people that were interested in creating new experiences with us, right?

So one of our principles was that we wouldn’t do a licensed Broadway show because the people that were interested in Virgin Voyages would rather just go to New York and see a Broadway show.

So surely if I came on a Virgin ship, there would be something different that only Virgin would do, right?

Or something that I wouldn’t have seen before.

And so when we met with all these creative folks, the mission was to create new and different experiences, but that were at a high enough level of quality that people would have paid for them if they were on land, right?

And maybe one day we could transfer one of these shows from ship to shore instead of the other way around.

Usually shows are licensed from land and brought to ships.

What if we could flip the whole thing on its head and do it a different way?

[15:18] So we set up all these high goals for ourself.

And so getting back to your question about what do I do as vice president of entertainment, it was really shaping the vision of what this entertainment program was going to be.

And we start with shows that they have the longest lead time to develop and marinate and produce. It takes quite a while to really do it well.

But of course, the other pieces that we concepted for entertainment was our music program, making sure we had a music program that we could be proud of.

I mean, look, we’re related to Virgin Records.

So, you know, we have quite a lot to live up to on the music side of things.

And our program has evolved so much already. And we’re really, really starting to hit on all cylinders with the music program.

We’re really, really excited about what’s happening this year.

Mike Putman:

[16:07] Is there any kind of crossover with people who’ve been on the Virgin labels to being performers on the ship?

Richard Kilman:

[16:15] We have, we really tried to, I mean, aside from Boy George, we’ve had Boy George on for some events, which is always very exciting.

Anything tied to the labels is great. We just had one of our celebration voyages last year.

They had some really amazing people, former leaders of different virgin companies and our head of music, Jeremy, got to meet with one of the guys that started up the manor.

And just having that connection on our shifts was so very special.

[16:52] So yes, music. So shows and music are two of our pillars.

Another one is our happenings program, program, which is a very big shift from the norm in the industry.

And usually, as you know, when you go on a cruise ship, there’s a cruise director and the cruise director’s staff, and they kind of guide you and tell you everything you should do.

And whether it’s through announcements or hosting things or taking shows on and off, they are like the face of voice of personality of most of the ships that you cruise on.

[17:21] And we really wanted to try to do that a little bit differently.

And we thought of this concept that we call the Happenings Cast, where instead of that one individual doing all of those things, that we would spread that out amongst 12 individuals, each one with their own distinct persona that leaned into a certain passion point.

And so that’s where the idea about the foodie and the artist and the gamer and the diva and the hostess and so on and so far all came from.

And once we had an idea about these different passion points we wanted to touch upon, we then went out to cast those people to find people that were really authentically artists and people into wellness and working out and people that were really into hosting and games and people that could really paint or sculpt or sketch and get these people to come on board to interact with our sailors.

So that our sellers could have those authentic experiences. You mentioned authenticity before.

There’s a big pillar for us, surprising authenticity.

[18:26] And so that’s the happenings program. And then our parties, of course, making sure we have epic parties because everyone knows the Virgin brand is known for having a really good time.

James Ferrara:

[18:37] What are those parties like?

Richard Kilman:

[18:41] I think our parties are pretty epic. Certainly the best in the industry when it comes to parties.

I think there is just something magical about this brand that really gives, that helps us give people permission to just kind of let go, have a great time, be themselves.

You see the comments, the posts that there’s no judgment, that it’s just wear what you’re comfortable in.

Go go lose yourself in the moment and just say yes to everything and have a great time and so, we have everything from our first night we start off with the pj party outside uh where everyone and you’ll see people even some people show up to dinner in their pjs or the show in their pjs and then they all end up going up to the athletic club in the back of the ship where we have the pj party and they meet our hostess and our diva we have a dj our whole happenings cast is out interacting interacting with them.

It’s just a good way to kick off a voyage and kind of really set the tone for, oh, this is not your typical cruise experience.

[19:43] And also to bring people together to foster connection, right?

We really want to facilitate that where people are able to meet new friends, new relationships of all kinds.

And I think a lot of the stuff we do and develop and and present helps make that happen um and it’s very intentional um because you said that as well earlier about meeting people and connecting with people when you’re on vacation can be a very magical experience and some say even transformative um so beyond pjs pj party um our our epic scarlet night is uh the one i think we’re probably most famous for so once a voyage um the ship turns red we invite our sailors to wear a splash of red and they can wear as little or as much as they want.

And it’s just across the board how sailors interpret that in the way that is most comfortable or most fun for them.

And what happens on Scarlet Night is Scarlet Night is based on a myth that we created that is, it kicks off at nine o’clock in the center of the ship in the roundabout.

And at 1.9 o’clock, the whole ship turns red.

[20:56] Our center lighting feature turns red. The music takes over the entire ship and we have a pop-up dance performances, circus performances, interactive activities, adventures, all this crazy stuff happening all over the ship across decks six and seven.

[21:13] And all of these activities culminate into a moment where everyone’s encouraged to go up to the pool deck, which is about 1045 and at 11 o’clock we have our finale experience where, When you go up to the pool deck, you will see a giant octopus, inflatable octopus at the front of the pool area.

Tubbs, as he’s known affectionately on Scarlet Lady.

And it just, again, it’s the environment. It creates an environment and expectation like, whoa.

You know, most people have never seen anything so huge like that.

But by that point, everyone’s already whipped into a frenzy, having a great time.

Everyone gathers around the pool and then all of our casts come out and it’s this big celebratory we call it the finale dance and party kickoff where around the pool in the pool hosts are hosting dancers are dancing water is splashing it’s a great really fun performance and then it leads right into inviting the sailors and to dance with all of them and it just it gets crazy you You have people, you know, going in the pool, fully clothed, people dancing the night away.

And so that goes on until about midnight. And then we shift everyone down to the manor, which is our awesome nightclub.

And the party goes on until whenever everyone’s done.

James Ferrara:

[22:36] Wow. Wow. Really fun.

Richard Kilman:

[22:38] It’s pretty great. Never seen anything like it.

James Ferrara:

[22:41] You mentioned one of your pillars being shows. And so many people in our audience are experienced cruisers, but maybe not with Virgin.

So when we think about shows on cruise ships, you said you worked with Royal and Norwegian, you know, we think about kinky boots and hairspray, and even Norwegian had the Spiegel tent circus type stuff.

Richard Kilman:

[23:06] For dinner yep yeah that was one of mine okay so.

James Ferrara:

[23:10] What are the shows like i mean what did you develop with virgin what’s that experience like.

Richard Kilman:

[23:17] Um it’s a great question um because, we took some risks uh we really took some risks and part of that came from um the theater we have that can do things that that can physically do things that no other theater can so i’m, let’s talk about that for a little bit. So it can be a traditional proscenium theater, right? Which is your regular walk in a theater, sit down and watch a show.

It can be an alley stage theater where you have two banks of seats that are facing each other with the stage in between them.

And it could be what we call flat floor where the seats are gone and it’s just a big open space on the stage.

And our intention with Scarlet Lady was, and with meeting with all the creative people I mentioned earlier is for them to pitch us concepts that played to all of those different things. So different concepts.

And we really wanted to have a show in each one of those different formats so that we could give sailors very different experiences that they could only have on Virgin, right?

You just couldn’t physically do it in any other ship’s theater. theater.

[24:30] So we landed on our proscenium show is a show called Chips in the Night was produced by a company out of Montreal called the Seven Fingers.

They’re actually a really cool contemporary circus company.

And but they dabble in a lot of other things, movement, storytelling with movement.

And so they created this show for us, which would be if Virgin Voyages was going to do a production show would look like this so there’s a lot of really cool video we have seven moving led panels on the stage that are incorporated into their show a lot of familiar music some great choreography, um a butterfly flies down from the fly tower in the middle of the audience at one point all this really cool um easy to access while you’re sitting and watching a show so a little bit of the familiar if you will.

[25:21] And then Seven Fingers also created for us a show in our alley stage configuration called Dual Reality.

Dual Reality is a circus telling the story of Romeo and Juliet. Juliet.

So again, something familiar that people could relate to, because most people are familiar with the story of Romeo and Juliet, but told in a very different way through circus arts, in this alley stage configuration, where it’s in like a sports competition environment.

So when you enter the red room, you’re going to be sitting either on the red side or the blue side, red red and blue representing the two different families, right?

[26:04] And so when the thing starts, it starts with a fight breaks out because of course one of the blue people are sitting on the red side.

So one of the red people, you know, it turns into this fight, which is of course it’s part of the show, but it just sets the tone and it turns into this crazy opening where people are throwing each other across the stage and hitting poles and jumping on things and flipping. It’s a wild opening.

And then it turns into this thing where, you know, the families are competing and you see Romeo and Juliet connect with each other.

And the story goes on, told through amazing circus arts.

And the audience, of course, if you’re on the red side, you’re cheering for the red team. If you’re on the blue side, you’re cheering for the blue team.

And so there’s this big competition with the audience. It gets very loud, very fun.

[26:54] People really enjoy it. And then we changed the ending a bit to be more virgin. can we, Didn’t think it was necessary for everyone to die.

You’re on vacation. Yeah.

Mike Putman:

[27:05] People don’t die on vacation. That’s right.

Richard Kilman:

[27:08] That’s right. And then the third show we created in the Red Room is a show called Untitled Dance Show Party Thing.

And the creators are Sam Pinkleton and Ani Taj.

[27:23] Ani has a really cool presence in New York with immersive dance experiences and even though she doesn’t like to use the immersive word but it is what it is she’s very talented and Sam and Ani have worked together Sam’s a Tony nominated choreographer and he’s done direction work and they do a lot of collaborations together and we actually met with them separately and they jointly pitched this idea to us and the idea was to do this in the flat floor so the audience would be standing the whole time and we have a platform that comes out from the stage that at one point in the show moves with the dancers on it so while everyone’s thinking you know you think it’s a thick stage all of a sudden it moves everyone’s surrounding the stage and the dancers are all over the place there’s a couple of platforms in the room it’s um it’s very you’re very close to of the action there’s always you can always move around if you can’t see something but um it’s a lot of the unexpected some people don’t know what to make of it some people think it’s the best thing we’ve ever done um but it’s it’s a very different and unique experience um and um there’s moments where the dancers are engaged with sailors doing what we call the social dance moments where it’s It’s all these familiar social dances that people have done over the years.

And people just have a great time doing it. And then it ends with…

James Ferrara:

[28:50] And what’s the show called?

Richard Kilman:

[28:52] Untitled Dance Show Party Thing. Because it’s literally all those things.

It’s a dance show. It’s a party. It’s a thing.

And we used to call it Untitled as we were building it. And it just kind of stuck.

James Ferrara:

[29:05] Untitled Dance Show Party Thing. That was my nickname in college, by the way.

So, we also like to bring this around to our ethos of the podcast and ask you maybe to leave our listeners with a tip for their own travels.

Is there something that you do when you’re going through the airport or when you arrive at a destination or a hotel, something that makes travel easier for you or more enjoyable?

Anything, any little tip you want to give?

Mike Putman:

[29:46] Travel hack.

James Ferrara:

[29:48] Yeah.

Richard Kilman:

[29:49] I really love, I mentioned before, I really love exploring.

And I love when I get to where I’m going, meeting with and talking with some locals in the area to find out what are the nuggets that, you know, only they would know about.

You know, if you’re not a tourist, what are the things that you do in that town, that area, that city?

What’s that adventure that I wouldn’t normally know about? You know, I, I, that’s just me.

I really like to find the other things.

You know, I want to things, I want to find the things that are not in the catalog, you know, not in the brochure at the hotel, I want to find the other things.

So that’s kind of how I like to do it.

I oftentimes wing it, I’ll just get in a car and go. So my wife and I have adventured across different areas, whether it’s Italy or Maine or North Carolina.

We love just going out and exploring and discovering.

That’s part of the fun of travel for me.

Mike Putman:

[30:48] That is a great way to travel. And that really aligns very much with, I think, the way James and I travel as well as what hopefully a lot of our listeners do as well.

So, wow, it’s been a real pleasure having you on board, Richard.

And I know I’ve taken taken away a lot of learnings from our conversations with you about your background and also about the experiences on on the Virgin ship.

So thank you so much for participating with us.

Richard Kilman:

[31:21] Thank you very much for having me. I really appreciate it. I have a question.

Is there one more little thing I can share with you that recently was a pretty big deal?

Okay absolutely so in the beginning i told you one of the one of the big goals we set up for ourselves was to create entertainment experiences that people would pay for on land and what if we could actually someday transfer a show from ship to shore so it actually happened our show dual reality was licensed to tour on land it premiered, last summer at the edinburgh fringe festival and it toured in europe and it made its u.s premiere in february in boston um and it was got a great write-up in the boston globe was picked up in usa today um and the tour continues in the netherlands uh they’ll be coming back to san diego later this year so it’s actually happening um which is really exciting what.

Mike Putman:

[32:19] An achievement that is awesome yeah Yeah.

James Ferrara:

[32:21] Congratulations. And that’s called Dual Realities?

Richard Kilman:

[32:24] Dual Reality, yeah. It was adapted from our ship to tour in theaters around the world.

James Ferrara:

[32:31] Excellent.

Richard Kilman:

[32:32] With our partners at Seven Fingers. So, yeah, it was pretty exciting that that was it.

James Ferrara:

[32:36] Yeah, it must make you feel great, real affirmation about the work and the concepting that was done and the philosophy behind the entertainment on Virgin Voyages.

So, congratulations. Congratulations.

Richard Kilman:

[32:50] The creative people that we’ve had the privilege of working with are nothing short of amazing.

What they’ve brought to us and the partnerships, the ideas, it’s just, there’s some just incredibly talented people out there.

So it’s great to see something like that happening for all of them.

So thank you. Thank you so much.

James Ferrara:

[33:06] Great work. Great having you here, Richard. Thank you.

Mike Putman:

[33:09] Thanks for being part of the show.

Richard Kilman:

[33:12] A pleasure. Thanks, guys.

Mike Putman:

[33:14] Hey, adventurers, get ready for the trip of a lifetime.

Richard Kilman:

[33:16] Time we’re cooking up an epic land-based vacation an adventure for two and you could be the lucky winners details.

Mike Putman:

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Mike Putman:

[34:19] Well, James, it was great having Richard on today. A lot of insight.

James Ferrara:

[34:25] Interesting, right? Different perspective. And entertainment is such an important part of cruise vacation.

Probably an important part of any vacation, right? Is, you know, music and theater and parties and all that.

So it’s a whole other perspective, as you said, maybe from the operations perspective, but also from the entertainment perspective.

Perspective to look at a cruise ship i would love to see us have and i know we’re working on this with our team love to have a captain from a cruise ship come and talk to us right.

Mike Putman:

[35:02] Yeah yeah but you know i think i think virgin does it differently where you know that his area is not it’s not just you know the guy playing the piano in the lobby uh or the entranceway and you know this show that It bounces from ship to ship, but it sounds much more immersive in the fact of them planning this out and that they’re responsible for parties and DJs and all this other, maybe the other cruise lines are doing it, I’m just unaware of it.

James Ferrara:

[35:34] Well, I think what’s really unique here is this philosophy where they’ve turned it kind of inside out and said, we’re not going to license entertainment that you can see if you go to New York or Boston or L.A.

But the other way around, we’re going to develop entertainment that’s so unique and interesting and good that.

Land-based theaters are going to want to bring it in from the ship, you know? So that’s really cool.

I’ve never heard anyone talk like that before.

I’ve met other entertainment executives in the cruise industry, and they travel the world looking for shows.

And they do a great job. There’s a show called Choir of Man that you might have seen on a ship before.

And it actually, that entertainment executive saw it in Australia, at a theater in Australia, and brought it on board the ships.

And it became very famous, actually.

And it’s a great show. But this is something different. This is, you know, creating, bringing the artists together, bringing the concept people together, the technology people together, designing the theater in a certain way, and creating a new experience that maybe is so good that it crosses over into the land experience.

I think that’s fascinating, really.

Mike Putman:

[36:58] Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, listen, thanks for listening in today, as always, to No Tourists Allowed.

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